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However, think that flagging the problems with this definition is not sufficient to make the definition workable. There are many examples of technology that seem to be, on the face of it, (products of) 'technics', but for various reasons fail. The motor car for one, but CT scanners, and my alarm clock could be other examples.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think that 'quality of life' is an ideological stance, and until the stance is made explicit there can't be any clarity to the term 'technics'.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You implicitly recognise this when you ask, "What is it about Tuscany or the South of France? What is it about Kauai, or a sleepy Costa Rican fishing village?" I think these questions need to be answered and the the answers need to be operationalised in order to give the idea of 'technics' any force. Perhaps you've already done this?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The other problem that I see with the distinction between work (availability) and technics, is that the two are somewhat interchangeable (not just non-mutually exclusive): If we say "work is a function of our ability to harness concentrated energy", then efficiency is certainly a major concern, however any improvement that increases efficiency (or EROEI) can easily be defined (by well meaning technocrats) as 'technics'.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think that technics needs to consider two other factors to distinguish it from 'efficiency'.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Firstly, as you mention, 'sustainability'. How much time does this buy? In the cosmological long-run I suspect that it is going to end in tears, but in more 'human' terms, I would want to know just how long a particular 'technics' provide energy (in the desired quantities). We're going run out of shale oil before the sun goes nova right?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Secondly, and this comes back to ideology. What does a particular technics imply or demand in terms of the way that we live, and relate to one another? What qualities do we expect to find in 'quality of life' and how does a given technics reinforce or erode those desirable patterns of living?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Looking back at the equation, I think that quality of life and technics largely cancel/balance one another out, and that the significant objective term is "availability of work", not that it has any real meaning outside of a context that defines what we want to do with the work. What is a valuable product, and what is a worthless one?</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/8216611598317895591'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/8216611598317895591'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1218283980000#c8216611598317895591' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-3646022559350723904</id><published>2007-10-09T01:11:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-10-09T01:11:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>The new way of thinking sounds like the idea of Co...</title><content type='html'>The new way of thinking sounds like the idea of Conscious Human Evolution (http://conev.org/primer.html), and combined with the wisdom of focusing on what we can do - as another poster has commented: rehabilitating our localised communities - seems like a sensible direction. However, we have to account for state and corporate attempts to further weaken our communities and grass-roots capability for self-reliance. It appears to me, drawing from John Robb's approach that the overall future context is the tension between the powerful (e.g. states and corporations) and their ontologies, and grass-roots human adaptability (the rhizome) that is a growing challenge to power. Suppressing communities ability to think and act for themselves is the greatest threat to a human solution for the capitalist/empire/centralisation experiment. The real threat to power is our increasing ability to evade hierarchical organisation and regulation. The threats posed by real terrorism and sabotage are nothing compared to the potential for mass movements to submerge state power - for this reason the important conflicts are likely to be hidden and conflicts over energy, labour, production, and monetary economics in general will be superficial. Control over ICT, TIA, social network analysis, etc are the real battles and they have already started.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/3646022559350723904'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/3646022559350723904'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1191913860000#c3646022559350723904' title=''/><author><name>Alastair</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09556160292837228307</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-3367661336495593474</id><published>2007-04-27T13:54:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-27T13:54:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Great post Jeff.  Thank you for a useful equasion ...</title><content type='html'>Great post Jeff.  Thank you for a useful equasion mathematically modelling what we are doing. And it is the premesis that a town using far fewer resourse and energy can, if properly designed, yield a better and more pleasurable way of life than at present. Even the beginnings of what we are doing are benefiting those of us who are undertaking the transition, individual by individual, as well as community by community. I can see it for myself. Riding my bike, for instance further than i ever dreamed possible; and what happens on those journeys enriches my life.  I see the people stuck in their cars listening to radios, when i have birds and the wind in the trees to listen to, and the hedgerows to smell and look at. That's only one small thing. &lt;BR/&gt;Naresh Giangrande co founder , along with Rob Hopkins, of the Transition Town Totnes project.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/3367661336495593474'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/3367661336495593474'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1177703640000#c3367661336495593474' title=''/><author><name>Naresh G. Giangrande</name><uri>www.livingonthecusp.org</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117623896046375536</id><published>2007-04-10T15:02:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-10T15:02:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>I have been working on this open renewable energy ...</title><content type='html'>I have been working on this open renewable energy project:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;http://www.shpegs.org&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;After reading your article, I think that there is a shared philosophy. Attempting to run an open source energy project has garnered me a lot of criticism, even though it has been very successful over it's short history. I repeatedly get asked about the project being a "first attempt" at applying open source methodology and project management to renewable energy.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My answer is that there is a historical precedent for the sharing of information and effort for the good of the community and it's only since the Industrial Revolution and increased fossil fuel usage that the hording of IP for the sake of individual profit over the common good has become the standard and this standard is proving to be unsustainable in a relatively short period of time.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117623896046375536'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117623896046375536'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176238920000#c117623896046375536' title=''/><author><name>rohar1</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15932934441606881544</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117616790578341973</id><published>2007-04-09T19:18:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-09T19:18:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Great ideas Jeff. You touched on population, but d...</title><content type='html'>Great ideas Jeff. You touched on population, but didn't expand. Population growth is the elephant in the living room and, like Jevon's paradox, will eat away at any increase in quality of life that are achieved by improvements in technics. I think that means that quality of life is inversely proportional to population.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117616790578341973'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117616790578341973'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176167880000#c117616790578341973' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117614484408611543</id><published>2007-04-09T12:54:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-09T12:54:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Jeff,I am mostly in agreement with you. You make g...</title><content type='html'>Jeff,&lt;BR/&gt;I am mostly in agreement with you. You make good points about the size of homes, but there are also issues of where the home is, and the size of the community. Most of these idealized locations you allude to, are located in very mild climates. You could live comfortably year round without any energy input to your home at all, providing you wear a sweeter in winter, or open the windows on a summer afternoon. Secondly, the communities are small. It is quite possible to walk across town, and there are no freeways to  impede your journey. By comparison, my brother lives in a 5000 sq. ft. home in Fort Collins Colorado. Despite being well insulated, his home costs $500 per month to heat in winter, and although his job location is in the same town, it is completely impractical for him to walk to work, one because the town is so spread out, and two because the cross traffic would make it dangerous.&lt;BR/&gt;My own take on the looming energy and environmental issues that we face is that they are not technological at all. In fact, I do not believe that technology can solve these issues either. Our problems are social. We “chose” this path. Through our shared ideals of acceptable and desirable social behavior, we have created our own disaster in waiting. Somehow we have convinced ourselves that owning lots and lots of stuff of little value, lends value and happiness through volume. Thus we have consumerism and Walmarts. Huge homes surrounded by high maintenance lawns that can not feed us are a display of success to our neighbors. Indeed, it may be mandated by local ordinance. We drive to the grocery store two miles from home in vehicles that would not be out of place at a Monster Truck Pull event. These are not technology issues, they are 100% cultural.&lt;BR/&gt;The only way looming energy/food/water shortages are going to be address without major hardship and even suffering, is by starting a cultural revolution. Energy waist-fullness must be leered at. Frugalness must be exonerated. Consumerism must be superseded by craftsmanship. Communities must be rethought and redesigned to promote economy and efficiency. Over time, this may by necessity come to extreme swings in positions. For example, if you’re not growing vegetables to share, you don’t deserve a yard. A community that can’t be walked through will not be worth living in. Homes that can’t be kept comfortable by the sun most of the year will not be worth owning. These kinds of changes will take time which we may not have. None the less, they are worth doing and worth starting now.&lt;BR/&gt;The hard part is knowing how to start such a movement. How does one radically change a culture. I think living by example might work best, especially if it engenders a small touch of envy. But that’s actually currently part of the problem. Popular media is all about the wrong direction. We envy the rich and famous. Their palatial homes, mostly useless party yachts, and fleets of luxury gas hog vehicles. We have all been conditioned to “want” it. We have a long history of even belittling the small life. Think “Green Acres” and “Bob Newhart”. &lt;BR/&gt;But there may be a lot more that we can do about it than might at first be thought. Local zoning laws can be changed. Elected officials can be petitioned. City centers can be returned to peoples feet. My personal favorite would be to start a government sponsored advertising campaign. This would take after the anti-smoking effort. Some smart marketing expert needs to design some TV commercials that makes driving anything that gets less than 50 mpg look stupid. This will sink in soon enough anyway, but we should start setting the stage and “drive the point home”. Maybe they can even make heros out of people that do not own cars. A rewarding life should not require a BMW or its ilk. Wouldn’t it be nice if most people could walk to work? What would it take to achieve this. Would government supported job swapping help? Does driving to another city to work at a job that someone else is passing you for in the other direction make any kind of sense?&lt;BR/&gt;Culture might be our most powerful technics ever. We just need to be masters of it, not it’s slave.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117614484408611543'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117614484408611543'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176144840000#c117614484408611543' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117614034245037594</id><published>2007-04-09T11:39:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-09T11:39:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Hey Jeff--I like this post...the distinction you d...</title><content type='html'>Hey Jeff--&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I like this post...the distinction you draw between technology and technic is an important one, but the quality of life piece is so much harder to quantify than the efficiency quotient, as you point out. It was a distinction I struggled with in a recent post about our very humble composting toilet system. On the one hand it is very efficient compared to a municipal flush toilet, but for me this is not the point. There is something in the humanure process that is generative, as odd as that sounds. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As always, I appreciate your ability to draw out the theory and to bring a wider frame to what, somedays, can just be emptying the compost bucket.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117614034245037594'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117614034245037594'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176140340000#c117614034245037594' title=''/><author><name>zane</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02213755943592855193</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117613677558010355</id><published>2007-04-09T10:39:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-09T10:39:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>My wife comes from a poor farming village in rural...</title><content type='html'>My wife comes from a poor farming village in rural Thailand. The contrast between her village and the modern city is overwhelming. People are generally friendly, and everyone knows everyone. It seems perfect. But things quickly start to get ugly once you look deeper. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In particular, marketing and advertising has started to erode the natural customs. People still cooperate, but they also have to compete for money so they can get those "things" they are brainwashed into believing they need.  With regard to your equation, it needs to be reformulated to Quality = Work x Technics - Greed x Efficiency of Penetration. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;No matter how far down the energy curve we drop, there will always be those with resources enough to scheme how to take away what is remaining. There are no new lands to conquer/plunder. Unless we deal with that aspect of society, it will overwhelm everything else.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A worldwide ban on any type of advertising would be a good start. I think if you look historically at those ideal local communities, they didn't need corporate sponsorships for their daily life. Without a radical step like this, everything else is just a dream. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Nicely written article though, but I just can't believe it is possible.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117613677558010355'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117613677558010355'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176136740000#c117613677558010355' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117613645218030169</id><published>2007-04-09T10:34:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-09T10:34:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Speaking of local Tuscan culture:  I read an artic...</title><content type='html'>Speaking of local Tuscan culture:  I read an article in the NY Times travel section yesterday - Today is Pasquetta (day-after-Easter festival) in Italy, and one of the local festivals the article highlighted was in a small Tuscan town.  Evidentally the locals take a round of Pecorino cheese and try to roll it around the outside of the town.  Whoever completes the task while touching the cheese the fewest times gets to take the cheese home.  While Tuscan Pecorino is delicious, I had to laugh at the idea of spending thousands of dollars to travel to watch some old guys rolling cheese.  We really must be desperate for some kind of local culture. Do we have nothing of our own left?</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117613645218030169'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117613645218030169'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176136440000#c117613645218030169' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117613338486064206</id><published>2007-04-09T09:43:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-09T09:43:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Sventastic-I think that you hit the nail on the he...</title><content type='html'>Sventastic-&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think that you hit the nail on the head in identifying how critical it is that we become conscious of the system that imprisons us.  I don't think we stand much of a chance, as a society, of making the decisions necessary to reduce consumption, eliminate dependency-creating relationships, etc. until we are consiously aware of the web of power-relationships that we weave with our every decision.  I'm not sure that society at large is capable of that--I don't think this view is elitist, but just pragmatic given the more pressing distractions that (understandably) consume most people.  I think that trying to spread the message that conscious awareness of this "structural problem" is important, but ultimately this will only really sink in with a small portion of society (analogous to the similar efforts within the spiritual realm--do you think is is likely that the "masses" can all reach enlightenment and understand the problems of suffering, or only that an elite few can and they can then lead the rest?  Because that seems like a problematic spiritual hierarchy, but at the same time it seems like the best we can hope for??).  I think that our best chance to move the masses is for this "cadre" of people who understand the structural problem to create, through personal example, a more desirable (by semi-conventional standards) way of life by incorporating this structural understanding.  Emulate Tuscany in Tulsa and people may rethink buying their next Chevy Tahoe.  Or maybe not, this could be nothing but starry-eyed optimism (imagine that--quite out of character!).  Either way, this dichotomy of "the structurally-enlightened" and "the rest" presents a danger of incipient hierarchy?  I think the same notion applies in Mongolia, but is endangered by (what I assume is) the lower degree of "worldliness" and communication due to the relative isolation (less access to the blogosphere--is that positive or negative!?).  Does it require a Mongolian Shepherd who has been to Dallas and seen the problems inherent in our system to convince his fellow shepherds of the elegance of their traditions?  I don't know.  Surely there is room for improvement--for integration of technics developed elsewhere--into the Mongolian system, but the danger of modifying tradition *without* a pervasive awareness of structural issues is that the door is opened and tradition is thrown to the curb.  It is my understanding that exactly this has happened to the youth in Japan.  I guess the old saying holds, that power is dangerous, even if it is, in theory, the power to do good.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117613338486064206'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117613338486064206'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176133380000#c117613338486064206' title=''/><author><name>Jeff Vail</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10272015982258395545</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117613331466000036</id><published>2007-04-09T09:41:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-09T09:41:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Good point Janene.The interesting thing historical...</title><content type='html'>Good point Janene.&lt;BR/&gt;The interesting thing historically is that the Mongolians have invested value mainly in animals, rather than material objects or gold or money (which are cumbersum and like you point out, can actual hinder one's mobility [and thus ability to stay alive] to be nomadic on the steppe).&lt;BR/&gt;However, when the Mongols, and their long line of nomadic predecessors, have become militarily dominant, they go apeshit when they conquer sedentary agrarian cultures with lots of gold and stuff. But after their initial conquering and orgy of indulgance, they generally receded (and/or were forced) back to the steppe after only a few generations, returning to their rather austere lifestyles.&lt;BR/&gt;Again I think it's important to distinguish between perceived value of materialism and it's perceived quality of life, versus actual value (which I equate to things that on a practical level keep people alive and healthy) and the actual quality of life they produce.&lt;BR/&gt;This is all rather relative, as some things are of significance in some ecosystems and cultures rather than others, and of course individual subjectivity about what is valuable.&lt;BR/&gt;This returns me to the question about technological innovation and its relationship with technics. The more sophisticated technology becomes, it seems like it is drifting from the description Jeff uses about technics...that the tools and means are localized, vernacular, and sustainable. Not to say that some sophisticated technology can't be these things, but it seems that they way history has played out, the "higher" the technology, the farther away from being accessible and mangagable but unsophisticated folks (those not specially trained for years in its use). Then again, I would need to be trained to build a Tuscan villa.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117613331466000036'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117613331466000036'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176133260000#c117613331466000036' title=''/><author><name>sventastic</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13188524864760907953</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117612426450812455</id><published>2007-04-09T07:11:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-09T07:11:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>This is a great post, Jeff.You've identified, in a...</title><content type='html'>This is a great post, Jeff.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You've identified, in a pretty concise way, the *type* of worldview shift that we are all talking about.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hey Sven -- I gotta wonder, if the Mongolian herdsmen actually got a tv or a dishwasher, how long d'you think it would take for them to abandon it as 'not worth the effort'? ;-)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Janene</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117612426450812455'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117612426450812455'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176124260000#c117612426450812455' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117608109204894121</id><published>2007-04-08T19:11:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2007-04-08T19:11:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Excellent post, Jeff.I'm curious about the relatio...</title><content type='html'>Excellent post, Jeff.&lt;BR/&gt;I'm curious about the relationships between work, energy, and power.&lt;BR/&gt;Also wondering about the relationship between technological innovation and technics and its impact on the perceived vs. actual quality of life.&lt;BR/&gt;For example: &lt;BR/&gt;I lived in Mongolia for six months and conducted several interviews with nomadic herdsmen (sheep/goat/horse herders in the central steppe, and reindeer herders in the taiga near Siberia).&lt;BR/&gt;When we discussed modern technology, and whether they'd like to have a TV or dishwasher, they answered of course. It seems natural for folks to follow the path of least resistence when it comes to engaging in manual labor, and thus natural for these herders to want to accumulate material possessions (which would most likely ironically contribute to a decline in their actual quality of life in the rhizome sense).&lt;BR/&gt;I think the distinction between perceived quality of life and actual quality of life is quite similar to how I interpret the difference between hierarchy and rhizome in general:&lt;BR/&gt;That hierarchy is a conceptually imputed projection onto phenomena that has no referent in actual reality, whereas rhizome is more like a description of reality as it is.&lt;BR/&gt;Suffering, or decline in both perceived and actual quality of life, is only possible within the confines of hierarchy, which is based on ultimately unfounded expectations, preconceptions, and assumptions about how things are (or should be).&lt;BR/&gt;Understanding of rhizome, on the other hand, leads one to be liberated from these frameworks of falsehoods that we are constantly snagging ourselves and others in, and allows us to live more in harmony with each other and our environment.&lt;BR/&gt;If we can cut through the social conditioning of hopes and fears that we are indoctrinated with, then we will be able to open our own eyes for ourselves, and act more in accordance with how things actually are, and thus meaningfully increase our actual quality of life.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117608109204894121'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/117607273704324494/comments/default/117608109204894121'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html?showComment=1176081060000#c117608109204894121' title=''/><author><name>sventastic</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13188524864760907953</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/04/design-imperative.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8588264.post-117607273704324494' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8588264/posts/default/117607273704324494' type='text/html'/></entry></feed>